Path: news.iastate.edu!kortbein From: kortbein@iastate.edu (Josh Kortbein) Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote Subject: Re: techno recommendations Date: 25 Jan 2000 16:48:43 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa USA Lines: 98 Message-ID: <86kk5b$tbl$1@news.iastate.edu> References: <388D52F6.3764C09C@prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pv3ead.vincent.iastate.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.iastate.edu rec.music.bluenote:245241 Krishna Rayaprolu (krishnar@prodigy.net) wrote: : It may look like a wrong newsgroup to post this question but in a sense : it is not. I am a jazz/a-g jazz fan and these days I am trying to check : out some good techno music. I think there is a strong similarity in : tastes among many rmb'ers. I would much rather ask for techno : recommendations here than in a techno newsgroup. Please recommend any : techno cds that you think a jazz fan might like. : The ones I liked so far are: : Textures by Darren Emerson & Alex Paterson : Endtroducing by D.J.Shadow (particularly the song -What does your soul : look like, part 4-). The obvious genre to check out is "drum and bass," or maybe "jungle." I'm not quite sure - the distinctions between the two are fuzzy. But both involve, variously, upright basslines and tight drum (programming) work. Jungle tends to feature freaked-out drumlines sampled or modeled after great jazz drum breaks of yore - often for whole or major portions of songs. So it's kind of like constant drum soloing, but not in the (what could be perceived as) more boring kind typical of jazz. I'm not that knowledgable about electronic music, but Amon Tobin's _Permutation_ does it for me - it's Brazilian and latin-jazz influenced drum n bass / jungle, highly dense, funky, groovy. I hear his other work is good too, just haven't gotten any of it yet. Big fat basslines are a plus. Photek might be one to check out here too, though he sounds completely different on _Modus Operandi_ than Amon Tobin. I don't like that album much but many people seem to love it. Drummers are apparently especially awed by his ultra-precise (and sparse, for electronic music) beats. Squarepusher (aka Tom Jenkinson) is one of the stars of "drill n bass," which is kind of like drum n bass but with more freaked-out drum programming. Think "spastic." Albums like _Feed Me Weird Things_ have a strong jazz fusion feel to some tracks, though it's a trebly, cerebral kind of fusion. His later album _Music is Rotted One Note_ has been likened to "chanelling Bitches Brew era Miles" for its fusion experiments. That album is heavy on the Rhodes piano and fretless bass noodling, and is a warm, modern (i.e. "IDM" or "intelligent dance music," which is a misnomer but one that stuck to label music like Squarepusher's - you don't dance to it, is the point) take on fusion. Squarepusher's got a LOT of material out too, and it varies a lot. Aphex Twin is another IDM star, one whose works have spanned a lot of different sounds. My favorite is still _Selected Ambient Works Volume II_, which is two discs of EXTREMELY low-key, minimalistic music. IIRC the New York Times dubbed it "modern classical music" or some such rubbish, but who needs them anyway? A completely different album is _Richard D. James Album_ (that's his real name), which is a beautiful take on the spastic drum programming of the drill n bass musicians (which RDJ wasn't, mostly). Autechre make some of my favorite electronic music. Intricate, repetitive, foreign, wheezy, klanky, repetitive, spacious... their modus operandi is to begin with a simple rhythm, and then slowly add layers of sound and rhythm. Often the rhythms interlock in ways reminiscent of the Baroque composers. My favorite is _LP5_ (sometimes just called _Autechre_), as it feels a little looser - the hip-hop influence present in lots of techno is more prevalent, or at least visible. _tri repetae++_ is more machinelike and also comes with a second disc with the _anvil vapre_ and _garbage_ eps - the latter of which is wonderful. The recent _ep7_ is more obscure but also rewarding, given time. I think I said a few words about it in my year-end list, somewhere at http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/musicnotes/ I'd say Photek, Squarepusher, Aphex Twin, and Autechre are all pretty cerebral. Squarepusher and AT in particular have their groovy moments but in general if you're looking for more dance-based techno they're not the way to go. Not really techno, but if you liked DJ Shadow and you haven't heard Massive Attack, it's really worth it to do so. My favorite of theirs is _Protection_, but _Blue Lines_ and _Mezzanine_ are also great. _Protection_ is more soul-influenced, but not by much. _Mezzanine_ is darker. _Blue Lines_ is more eclectic. You might also take to Tricky's work. So my best recommendation is to try Amon Tobin first, as he's most jazz-like. Massive Attack and other trip-hop acts are somewhat related to DJ Shadow. The others I've mentioned have less to do with jazz, but I like them, and I like jazz. :) This is just a start, and one perspective. www.allmusic.com is a good source for techno genre information, so you can find out more about the luminaries (and allmusic.com is biased but not that bad) in each genre. Josh -- josh blog listening log: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kortbein/blog/